On Wednesday, the ATF got a new director and dozens of new gun rules to boot. The bureau announced 32 new rule proposals that directly implicate firearms in one way or another. Director Rob Cekada signed those rules in front of a collection of gun-rights groups--including our guest Kostas Moros's Second Amendment Foundation (SAF).

But, as Moros explains, the gun groups didn't necessarily know the exact details of what was included in the package. Even now, we still don't have the full text of the rules. Still, Moros said the information the ATF has released looks promising to SAF.

He acknowledged that none of the proposals are the kinds of big swings that the Biden Administration had taken, such as trying to reinterpret the Firearms Owners Protection Act to authorize nationwide concealed carry. But he argued that's a good thing because the rules that were proposed are more likely to stick--unlike the Biden rules, which struggled in court. He said gun-rights advocates who had proper expectations going into the ATF's announcement should be happy with what they're seeing.

Moros walked through the rules he thought would make the biggest impact, including one that might open up gun sales that don't require face-to-face pickup. He also discussed some of the proposals SAF is keeping its eye on for the details, including one that may make it more difficult for trans or non-binary people to buy guns.

Special Guest: Kostas Moros.

Now, a few weeks later, those groups have nearly all sorted into two coalitions, and they've both filed suit. One coalition, led by Gun Owners of America (GOA), filed in the Fifth Circuit. Another, led by the National Rifle Association (NRA), filed in the Eighth Circuit.

To analyze the arguments of each case, we've got independent gun-rights lawyer Matt Larosiere on the show. He's brought both tax power and Second Amendment challenges against the NFA before. So, he has direct experience with the claims at issue in both cases.

Larosiere said he is on board with the logic behind the GOA and NRA lawsuits, but he argued they face a difficult climb to achieve their goals. He said tax challenges are more complex than most people imagine, and it can be difficult for Second Amendment attorneys to navigate the waters of a successful pleading. He said the Second Amendment claim in the NRA case may have an easier path, but noted it wasn't a new tactic and has failed in the past.

Special Guest: Matt Larosiere.